The immunity of pseudoscientists to criticism is well known to skeptics, yet I was curious. Even if you allow for a much higher biological mutation rate on any Sirian planet compared to the Earth, it still isnt enough time. WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. with the bright star Sirius (sigu tolo, "star of Sigui"), called (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. WebThe star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. The book presents the hypothesis that the Dogon people of Mali, in West Africa, preserve a tradition of contact with intelligent extraterrestrial beings from the Sirius star system. Afrocentrists, on the other hand, claimed that the Dogon could see Speculation about the Dogon on numerous websites is now mingled with fact, leading to wide misunderstanding among the public about Dogon mythology. Skeptic. In their original findings, Griaule and Deiterlen make no comment about the Dogon knowledge of Sirius B. earth as a spherical body in space and projections upon it envisaged as part ofthe Sirius tore." Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. terrestrial rather than extraterrestrial. WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. The author mentions that he could have made the book much longer but restrained himself "lest I blow this book up into a pufball of miscellaneous odds and ends" -- which prompted one reviewer to remark that Temple had stopped much too late to avoid that fate. He points out that Griaule and Dieterlen stand alone in their claims about the Dogon secret knowledge. of course, no evidence for this special eyesight, nor for other equally Temple's impressive research was encouraged by noted futurist Arthur C, Clarke (although Clarke now prefers the "modern influence" hypothesis). Any planet that close would make Venus, with an average temperature of 450C (840F), look cool and comfortable by comparison. The Dogon beliefs about Jupiter and Saturn sound familiar too. Astronomers classify Sirius as a "class A" star, hotter and younger than our sun, Its brightness is due largely to its proximity; it is barely eight light- years away from the earth. But if the error is real, it reflects on the only kind of hard, checkable, testable evidence Temple has offered for his theories. | 3938 State St., Suite # 101, Santa Barbara, CA, 93105-3114 | 1-805-576-9396. Webplanet earth. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. There is, Found in the constellation after which it is named, it is about 25,000 light years from the sun and 42,000 light years from the centre of the Milky Way. For more then 20 years, The Sirius Mystery has influenced speculation about the possibility that our forefathers came from the stars. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. The diagram that Temple presents, however, is not the That in itself is extraordinary.". When Walter van Beek studied the Dogon, he Perhaps the source was Temple this about a star that cannot be seen without telescopes, and he made no Of those websites, over 400 had been updated within the last three months. Could Sirius B have been a red giant a few thousand years ago? WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. They dont have telescopes or other Beings of this type would be a bit like mermaids and mermen. Perhaps the 'sirens' are, figuratively, a chorus of mermaids recalled from earlier times.They are called in Greek Seiren.It is Why would Europeans feel compelled that they needed to discuss astronomy with such a primitive tribe and why would this transfer of knowledge that only lasted 5 weeks have such an impact on the Dogan people that they would include it in their cultural practices? The Pleiades are sometimes mentioned, but this is not possible. If a European Several possibilities exist. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. (In response, Temple has drawn up the ridiculous image of natives laborously hauling a giant instrument through the west African mud -- when in fact a four inch reflector would do just fine, and I once owned one that weighed about ten pounds including mount.) The other five are still seen as red but from the time of Arab astronomers to the present day Sirius has been blue-white. Van Beek actually spoke to some of Griaules original informants; he noted that though they do speak about sigu tolo [interpreted by Griaule as their name for Sirius itself], they disagree completely with each other as to which star is meant; for some, it is an invisible star that should rise to announce the sigu [festival], for another it is Venus that, through a different position, appears as sigu tolo. I published, showed the distances to be nowhere close, in error by tens of miles, at least ten percent -- hardly "immense accuracy. In this weeks eSkeptic, Liam McDaid examines these claims. Finally, he asked me point-blank if I could point out any errors in it and partly out of politeness, partly to get rid of him, and partly because I had been able to read very little of the book so that the answer was true, I said I could not point out any errors. WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. Either way, the original purity of the Dogon-Sirius story is itself a myth as it is highly likely that Griaule contaminated their knowledge with his own. Sirius. See also von Dniken, Zecharia Sitchin, and UFO. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. With this, the Dogon mystery comes crashing down. At least three are farther and at least one of them has rings too. The line that Temple labeled Orbit of Sirius B is actually a figure the Dogon think of as a cosmic egg. The symbol for Sirius A is just one of many objects in the Dogon cosmos (C is the Sun of Women, F is the Star of Women, etc.). Feature Articles Dogon shame Did ancient gods from the Sirius star system visit an African tribe 5,000 years ago? How did the Dogon obtain this knowledge? But it is an unfortunate tendency for certain reviewers to wish to try and appear clever at the expense of accuracy, honesty, objectivity, fairness, or even decent manners, by dropping any standards at all in their headlong assaults on authors using only the tools of distortion, dishonesty, and insults. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sirius_Mystery. He certainly did not have permission to use that statement as part of the promotion, I'11 just have to be even more careful hereafter.". All rights reserved. different civilizations thousands of miles or thousands of years apart and to other equally questionable tactics. The expedition, led by Henri Deslandres, stayed in the field for five weeks, and it is reasonable that during this time many contacts with the locals took place, and that relatively modern astronomical knowledge was then transferred. This drawing is used by those who support the idea that the Dogon were taugfht about Sirius B by aliens. Through the carbon dating of old ritual masks researchers have established the antiquity of the Segui ceremonies. WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. civilization. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. Where did they get this knowledge, he asks, if not from On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. % I did more searching and found that for the keywords Dogon and Sirius B, almost 1000 websites were listed. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. Our mysteries may be different but our questions are the same and we are no wiser. The Dogon People Revisited.. companion" (Bullard). Journalist and skeptic James Oberg collected claims concerning Dogon mythology in his 1982 book UFOs and Outer Space Mysteries. September 1976 saw "Perhaps (Oberg) is unaware," Temple went on, "that the differential curvature of the earth variously distorts distances shown on maps. African thought. Sagan suggests, however, that that civilization was James, P., N. Thorpe, and I. J. Thorpe. ch. claims about the antiquity of this information or of a connection with For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. [8][9], In 1978, astronomer Ian Ridpath observes, in an article in the Skeptical Inquirer, "The whole Dogon legend of Sirius and its companions are riddled with ambiguities, contradictions, and downright errors, at least if we try to interpret it literally. Although Temple fails to prove its antiquity, the evidence for the recent acquisition of the information is still entirely circumstantial. Here, then, is another datum to be investigated when it is possible." Griaule himself was aware of the discovery of Sirius B and in the 1920s before he visited the Dogon there were also unconfirmed sightings of Sirius C. The Dogon were well aware of the brightest star in the sky but, as Van Beek learned, they do not call it sigu tolo, as Griaule claimed, but dana tolo. A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific It has a mass of 2.35 times the mass of the Sun. The Demon-Haunted World - Science as a Candle in the Dark (New As Carl Sagan pointed out, when the lines on both maps are removed, the resemblance disappears. Some might argue that if there were a planet really close to Sirius A, it could be in a stable orbit. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. So where does this leave the mysteries of Sirius? Beware of mood swings. Schroder, D.J., et al. Credulous scholars, like Young and Temple, were taken in and through them a whole generation has swallowed the false mythology of aliens from the Dark Sirius Companion. This article appeared in Fortean Times. A Search for Faint Companions to Nearby Stars Using the Wide Field Planetary Camera 2,. Modern astronomers have discovered the remains of the supernova Vela-X in a constellation which would have been visible in the low southern sky from Sumer. They point out that the ancient Egyptians and Sumerians used spherical lenses6 (even though they are a bad choice to use in telescopes try seeing an image through a glass bead). What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. "their purpose in disguising their secrets was to see that the secrets could survive.". 68-70. As an example, Sagan believes that because the Dogon seem to have no knowledge of another planet beyond Saturn which has rings, their knowledge is therefore more likely to have come from European, and not extraterrestrial, sources.[11]. The book's advertising blurb quotes prolific science writer Isaac Asimov, who says, "I couldn't find any mistakes in this book. the Dogon. In 1991, Van Beek led a team of anthropologists to Mali and declared that they found absolutely no trace of the detailed Sirius lore reported by the French anthropologists. Did Oberg? He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. Further, "The fact that the Dogon do not talk of another planet with rings beyond Saturn [i.e., Uranus, whose rings were discovered in 1977--and the rings of Jupiter weren't discovered until after Sagan's book was written, although they would have been clearly visible to any arriving extraterrestrial spacecraft] suggests to me that their informants were European, not extraterrestrial." WebRe: Dogon Sirius claim debunked - Graham Hancock Official Website Mysteries Taken from [ library.thinkquest.org]
According to the Dogon priests, Sirius is orbited by a tiny secret star that they refer to as 'po', which traces an elliptical path around Sirius taking 50 years to The stars in this group are too young only a few tens of millions of years for planets with life and civilization to have developed. Figure 1. The X symbol inside the oval is Sirius A, The oval itself is labeled Umlaufbahn von Sirius B, or Orbit of Sirius B. Pretty convincing. The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. Sagan further commented that he was surprised, given the freedom of viewpoint that Fish used, that her map didnt match the Hill map better!4. Robert Temple, who spent eight years studying mythology, is convinced that he can trace the Sirius-B information back to the Sumerians. stream According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. One unproven aspect of the reported Dogon knowledge of the Sirius system is the assertion that the Dogon knew of another star in the Sirius system, Emme Ya, or "larger than Sirius B but lighter and dim in magnitude." One group says the Dogon got their information from aliens from the Sirian system called Nommos. Sirius B was first observed in 1862, and had been predicted in 1844 on dynamic grounds. [5], Astronomer Carl Sagan touched upon the issue in his book Broca's Brain (1979), seeing problems in Temple's hypothesis. But even after hundreds of pages of myths and interpretations Temple fails to make a connection between ancient Egypt and the modern Dogons; instead he "assumes" it. A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific Temple has either misinterpreted Dogon beliefs, or distorted Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. ), There were Giants in the earthin those days Genesis 6:1. It is also possible to conclude that such a star could in no way be responsible for the flurry of sightings from the 1920s, it would be too faint and too close to Sirius A to have ever been seen by visual observers.[17]. A second group claims the Dogon somehow discovered this on their own (although how this was accomplished is not explained). The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. by Philip Coppens. The parts that bear at least a superficial resemblance to astronomical facts are most likely trimmings added in this century. Hmm, The Cardiff Giant, one of the most celebrated hoaxes in American history, on display at the Farmers Museum in Cooperstown, NY. Temple has made very few verifiable assertions about mythology (and The Sirius Mystery is overwhelmingly about ancient myths, not about the Dogons or modern astronomy). WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . of Griaule informants, had ever heard or understood that Sirius was a Try my free online Rune Readings! Nigel Appleby whose book Hall of the Gods was withdrawn from publication has admitted to being tremendously influenced by Temples Sirius Mystery. "Dogon Restudied: A Field Evaluation of the Work of Marcel the Sirius "Mystery" by Ian Ridpath, Skeptical Inquirer, Fall Lets start with the first idea, proffered by Robert Temple.1 Temples basic premise is that the Nommos visited the Dogon at some point in the past and gave them information that, in one form or another, the Dogon have passed down through oral tradition. Webplanet earth. Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. The Dogon myths may or may not be related to these other putties (or even to Kepler's supernova, which has been seriously suggested.) Temple claimed that the Dogon knew about two smaller stars that are closely related to Sirius Sirius B and Sirius C. The mystery was how they had obtained this knowledge, as these companion stars cannot be seen by the unaided eye. Subscribe to eSkeptic: our free email newsletter and get great podcasts, videos, reviews and articles from Skeptic magazine, announcements, and more in your inbox once or twice a week. Other Temple claims, including some wild assertions from The Secrets of the Great Pyramid, can as easily be checked and as easily demolished. The Sirius Mystery is a book written by Robert K. G. Temple (born Robert Kyle Grenville Temple in 1945) supporting the pseudoscientific[1] ancient astronauts hypothesis that intelligent extraterrestrial beings visited the Earth and made contact with humans in antiquity and prehistoric times. The legend of the Dogons astronomical precociousness first appeared on the radar in the 1970s. Even in the most optimistic reading of this tale, the Dogon know no more than we knew about the Solar System and nearby stars in the 1930s, which is about the time that Griaule and Deiterlen first interacted with them. That's one major characteristic of classical pseudo-science, its ability to incorporate any result and its ability to be immune from disproof from any result. Sirius B without the need of a telescope because of their special eyesight Some of this information has been selectively interpreted by Temple to support his claims. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. A critical analysis has to investigate the accuracy of such claims, so as to judge the validity of the book's conclusions. The two anthropologists had lived among the Dogon tribe in Africa since 1931, and in 1946 Griaule was initiated into the religious secrets of the tribe. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. Temple, however, has stated in the reprint of The Sirius Mystery (1999) that he in no way supports what he refers to as "sinister cults" that have been inspired by his book. Press J to jump to the feed. All agree, however, that they learned about the star from Griaule. Van Beek states that this creates a major problem for Griaules claims. Using spherical trig, I got 612.3 km for the Siwa-Behdet leg and 654.8 km for the Thebes-Behdet. Obviously, no Earth-based species was flying to other stars back then! The Dogon are a people of about 100,000 who dwell in western Africa. The antiquity of the Dogon astronomy is not so obvious as ancient astronaut enthusiasts claim but neither has it been disproved. WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . But Fishs map used an arbitrary viewpoint in space. As James and Thorpe point out, he took star maps along with him on his field trips as a way of prompting his informants to divulge their knowledge of the stars. Astronomers Carl Sagan and Ian Ridpath, for example, have suggested that the modern astronomical aspects of the complex Dogon mythology entered the lore only recently, probably shortly before the myths were written down in the 1930s. to be the best candidate evidence available today for man's past contact with advanced extraterrestrial civilization." WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. On top of that, there is another star, Sirius B, orbiting at an average distance of about 20 AU (1 AU is the distance between the Earth and Sun). Sirius was already the subject of a mystery concerning the traditional lore of the Dogon tribe of Mali, near Timbuktu in western Africa. The Symbolism of the Tarot: The Minor Arcana, The Symbolism of the Tarot: The Major Arcana, My Reading with Kristine from Psychic Source Review, Get the best Psychic Reading Ever Best Psychics Ive Reviewed, The Cathars: the struggle for and of a new Church, The Strange Stone Discs of Baian-Kara-Ula, William Blake: What paintings of visions come. the Sirius "Mystery". (Temple claims missionaries didn't show up until 1949.) Greek and Arab myths and words are considered to a lesser extent. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. So what is the alternative to the extraterrestrial hypothesis for the Dogon myths7 The Dogons could have learned of European Sirius lore in the 1920's from traders, explorers or missionaries, many of whom are avid amateur astronomers. In 1965, Arthur Young gave Robert Temple a French article on the secret star lore of the Dogon, an article written by two French anthropologists Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen. It was popularized in an episode from the In Search of television series narrated by Leonard Nimoy. answer is that they got this information from amphibious aliens from outer The third explanation is that they learned the information from Europeans or in European schools. of their culture, came from Sirius -- which is at the crux of Temple's reconstruction? The good news is that two of the first five entries were from skeptical websites (CSICOP and Bob Carrolls Skeptics Dictionary). rotation is astronomically possible but whether it is correct or not we cannot yet know. One of the problems the UFO crowd has is providing an answer to the question of where the aliens who visit us come from. extraterrestrial visitors? Such is the case with the Dogon a West African people and their supposed advanced and inexplicable knowledge of the stars Sirius A and Sirius B. Sirius A is the brightest star in our sky. Nevertheless the Sumerian Oannes myths, first described by Sagan and Shklovskiy in Intelligent Life in the Universe in 1966, are as intriguing as ever. 6, "White The proof is supplied by (the Odyssey), where Helios is said to possess 7 herds of 50 cows each and 7 herds of 50 sheep, a transparent allegory of the days and nights of the year.") thousands of similar objects along with even heavier and denser objects such as neutron stars and black holes. A must for every bookshelf.ORDER the book, It seems clear that the Dogon did indeed get their information from other cultures. In a response published in Fate magazine, he denied intending that: "I refer, entirely in passing, to the Greek word for siren and its similarity to the word for Sirius, drawing absolutely The main problem with the alleged antiquity of the Dogon "Sirius secrets" legend is that they are reminiscent of European Sirius speculations of the late 1920s. The basic thesis is this: the Dogon (who live in the African nation of Mali, near the border with Burkina Faso) allegedly have long possessed arcane astronomical knowledge that should have been impossible for them to discover without modern telescopes. This is only a stellar stone's throw by galactic standards and Sirius is only twice as far away from our solar system as are the nearest WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. Zeta Reticuli 2 (with about the same temperature and mass as the Sun) is another candidate. 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