There are two lists of women and two lists of men. 1. Bible Study Workbooks Priscilla's studies help believers to know the truths of Scripture intellectually and encourage them to experience these truths practically by the power of the Holy Spirit. We shouldnt believe just whatever we see on the internet. Jeremiah 24:7. He saw 1000s come to Christ over a life time of service. I. They point you to your own experiences and opinions, not to Scripture, as your authority for what you think, believe, and do. They needed to be reminded of who the true Christ of Scripture was. She is the New York Times Best Selling author of more than two dozen books and has had featured roles in movies like War Room (2015), I Can Only Imagine (2018) and Overcomer (2019). My co-leader read your thoughts about Priscilla and I presented your views to the members of our study. Evangelical Dark Web. Priscilla and her husband of 22 years, Jerry Shirer, lead Going Beyond Ministries through which they provide spiritual support and resources to the body of Christ. Heres why: 1. They start, not with a biblical truth but with a story or life experience, and then they build doctrine and beliefs out of that experience. 2 JOHN Esther 4:16 fasting. Silly me! Amen. on her, one of them probably will. Hillsong and Steven Furticks Elevation Church are two huge red flags on her itinerary. Remember, the Bible says our hearts are deceitful (Jeremiah 17:9), so we cant trust our feelings unless they line up with, and are based on, the truth of Gods word. 2 John 1:1-11. or even some reformed guys or women who speak against Schirer. #4b believers from different denominations Priscilla references who rattled her theological box may have been part of Priscillas initial exposure to false Word of Faith teaching and false teachers such as the aforementioned Meyer, Caine and Osteens. Since you havent had a chance to question Priscilla about what she was talking about here (or maybe it was revealed in this Bible study? I thought most people read themselves in scripture. But we hope that as your faith increases, our area of influence among you will greatly increase as well, 16 so that we can preach the gospel in the regions beyond you. Michelle Thank you for your work in the area of discernment. A. It means to trust that the Bible has all the answers and truths we need to live a holy and pleasing life before Godwe don't need anything beyond what God has provided for us in His Word (see 2 Peter 1:3 ). Yes, hope is needed, and no youre not going to find it on the news, but youre not going to find true hope in Beth Moore or Priscilla Shirer, either, because not only can you not find hope in bad news (like the TV news) but you cant find hope in false news either, and thats what they teach. Still, knowing his perspective and the fact that hes her father doesnt change the fact that what Priscilla Shirer is doing is wrong. Church Of God, CARE MINISTRY WITH THE MESSAGE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST IS IMPORTANT, CALLED TO CARE Wow, I found Ms. Shirers book Fervent very helpful and uplifting. *It's always a good idea to look back over life and think about the people who have made a difference: People who helped us in a time of need. Day and night they go around her upon her walls, And iniquity and mischief are in her midst. If not, she does not know the Bible well enough to be teaching (James 3:1). It is people like Priscilla Shirer who make up their own doctrine and point people to their personal views rather than the Bible. Instead, she is dangling in front of Christian women an emotionally appealing and unbiblical carrot of miraculous and unique personal experiences with God instead of teaching them to properly study their Bibles and rely on Scripture alone for their doctrine and practices. Armor of God Workbook with Video Access Ive heard her recommend Christian women to go to a quiet place to pray. 15 Outstanding Quotes To Recharge Your Preaching. One of them went up to him and told him. Youre more than welcome to join the study if youd like. I dont follow TGC any more. Going Beyond Obedience. I think I dont think I feel If youre a Christian, what you think, feel, believe, say, and do is supposed to be governed by Scripture. Here is a short http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com article on Lisa: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=10843, You can also tell a lot about these leaders by what events they speak at: When I participated in Priscillas DVD studyHe Speaks to Meseveral years ago, I found her to be an engaging writer, a witty storyteller, and charismatic speaker. I guess I have to do some research on those folks. (Also, lets please try to keep things friendly and polite, OK?). read more, Scripture: It is Gods plan for every Christianto grow to spiritual maturity and intimacy with Him. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. My bible teaches those roles but thank you. I shared this post on Facebook the same day my new pastor friend requested me. We cannot live without fear. THE CALL? Or and be .. Christianity and Adversity: Corona Virus and a Faith Based approach It often times fails. We have many of these moments through out our physical lives. It does NOT say, and be baptist. That must have been before she asked for (and received) her pastors and husbands permission to teach men in her Sunday School class. Introduction Could you please provide me with a link to an article or video where she says that so I can check it out? - Jonah 2:10. read more, Scripture: Elizabeth. No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. - People coming out of sinful lives dont usually smell good. to me she lacks conviction of the word I dont hear it; she reminds me of Joel Osteen and thats not a compliment. Jesus had employed many graphic analogies using common things that would be familiar to everyone (https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-parables.html). Do you have another links to her preaching or instructing men in the Scriptures? As for the topic of this post neither of us have heard of her, but thanks for the heads up and good article as always. I also have a few tape recording of her Bible Studies that were done either in her Sunday School or her Tuesday Bible Study Meetings where she actually dismisses men from the room when she was at a church in Houston. Baptist. Matthew 9:32-38. The problem at the Colossian church (the reason Paul wrote this epistle to them) was that false doctrine was starting to creep in. Thanks so much for your comment. The Holy Spirit decided that what this church needed to combat that false teaching was a refresher course in Christology (the study of Christ- who He was, what He did, and why). It is a sad irony that Priscilla Shirer opted to name her ministry Going Beyond, because this is exactly what she is choosing to do right now. I think you are judging and do not agree with you. On October 16, 2016, Priscilla and her husband, children, and mother were in attendance at T.D. Thats good, but that doesnt change the fact that neither Beth nor Priscilla turn down speaking events that are open to both men and women. Im so happy for you that you have a discerning pastor. Could you point to me where Priscilla suggests that we empty our mind? rather than on the Bible. No, I have not confronted Priscilla Shirer about her sin (and thank you for realizing that what shes doing is, in fact, sin). The third, Chris Rosebrough, is Lutheran (AALC), and much of his theology is in line with Reformed theology. Ive subscribed to both for several years, so I can tell you thats not the kind of writing they do (though Challies did feature and link to Aimee Byrds review of Fervent in his 12/21/15 A La Carte segment). Now, I believe I have clearly answered all of your questions both here, in the article, and in the Additional Resources section, so let me add just one extra thing. Are they guiding and leading a flock (a church)? What an encouragement! As a sister in Christ, I believe we should be happy for their success and teaching us the Word of God. It would definitely be interesting to hear his perspective.. These women are an excellent entry way in to the faith. Neil knows much more about New Testament studies than I do, but I'm not sure how far forward we can go with the New Testament, given that most of its writers believed their world was about to pass away. All of these people are proponents of the false and anti-biblical Word of Faith (prosperity gospel) doctrine, and the Jakeses are also modalists. One of two things happens: either Im ignored altogether, or one of her underlings gets back in touch with me to defend her. The silence he describes in the paragraph titled Line 1 could easily be construed to mean mystical/contemplative (i.e. Like The Gospel Coalition, CARM, Tim Challies, etc?) http://lisaharper.net/calendarevents/. 15 Neither do we boast beyond our limits in the labors of others. Our faith is rock solid if we have placed it in Godthe unchanging, perfect, eternal, sovereign One. Glad to know i am not the only dude that reads this wonderful sisters blog. But, yes, sometimes I do offer to send someone Im talking to (face to face) links to my articles, other peoples articles, books, sermons, etc., if theyd like to study an issue more. None. Priscillas friendliness and genuine care for Christian women seem to shine throughevery word she speaks and writes. Thank you MIchelle Lesley. Scripture doesnt specify that only preaching from a pulpit on Sunday morning as a pastor would or leading a church qualifies as preaching to or teaching men, but, yes, they have both done the former and neither has indicated repentance over it or any plans to stop doing so. They had started out on the right foot with the biblical gospel, but false teachings were beginning to take hold. They teach a false hope that will eventually let you down and disappoint you. Mark 7:31-37. Do you interpret scripture to mean women should not witness to all people; share the gospel message to all nations not just other women or children? And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals. If I might, it would be my joy to help you out with this. Then Judah said to Onan, "Go in to your brother's wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother." Romans 15:1 Verse Concepts Now we who are strong ought to bear the weaknesses of those without strength and not just please ourselves. With regard to books, Bible studies, even blogs like mine, I completely agree with you! My article, Jill in the Pulpit examines 1 Timothy 2:11-12 (the clearest and most concise passage addressing this topic) in context and explains it (in what I hope is a clear and understandable way- if not, please feel free to let me know if you have any questions). I am asking the following question to understand your doctrinal views. Indeed, we were the first to reach you with the gospel of Christ. If a big guy writes against a LifeWay person, he might not get anymore invitations. Did you feel any kind of fear? 2:57- Do you know that of the original two million Jewish people only two actually ever made it? Moving Beyond the Motions Lastly, although you are not directly in front of Travis Arnett, Saikowoods, Taylor Dunn & Seth Dunn, all of which are men who have posted here They are Reading & commenting on your comments and blog, thus you are teaching men. (This is where the video above ends. The salvation of unreached people throughout history. A sermon examining the fact that we should ever be amazed by Jesus. I dont know half of your theological terminology, but I do know that I love Jesus and Im going to heaven, so Im just fine with that. - But such as is common to man; rather, except such as is human; i.e. Jude 18-19. Jakes church, The Potters House, where, during a Gods Leading Ladiesgraduation ceremony, Priscilla accepted the Lady of Destiny award. (Ive addressed that here in case you might be interested.). In the videos Ive viewed, there are only women involved (with the exception of the camera guys and the lighting guys.) Defining moments, we all have them. but I do know that I love Jesus and Im going to heaven, so Im just fine with that. However, from time to time, I get people who comment or send e-mails pretending to genuinely want help just so they can get their comments published and who then proceed to argue and twist Scripture in subsequent comments. Isaiah 58:12. Reblogged this on queeninchrist's Blog and commented: And besides all these big names, arent just claiming to over see a church, they are writing New York best sellers, etc. Finally, I agree we should seek out credible sources when reading news reports and things like that where were called upon to simply believe what were being told, but thats not the case here. Part 11 - Matthew 9:32-38 - THAT'S WHEN MIRACLES HAPPEN! The result is that those doctrines and beliefs often conflict with Scripture because theyre not based on Scripture but a fallible personal experience. Then you won't arrogantly place one of us in opposition to the other. Unfortunately, they depend on LifeWay to deliver sound material. After a bit of research on Ms. Shirer, Im determined that shes one to beware of. By Wade Martin Hughes, Sr. Kyfingers@aol.com Pink Impact ConferencePriscilla joined with faith healing apostle of the New Apostolic Reformation, Todd White, as well as false teachers Christine Caine, Lisa Harper, and Pastor Debbie Morris. Scripture (Romans 16:17-18, 2 John 9-1, Titus 3:10-11, and others) says we are to run from them, not listen to them, and certainly we should not encourage lost people to listen to them, lest they put their faith in a false christ and remain in their sin. 1 Peter 2:1 says: So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. What is a defining moment? http://the-end-time.blogspot.com/2012/10/introducing-priscilla-shirer-and-jesus.html. I just do not think its right to judge anyones ministry it causes division with in the body of Christ why cant we just celebrate each other then we can learn from each other. i listen to Dr. Tony Evans and i love to hear him preach, he is a good pastor and knows the word of God, so i do not understand why all this negativity about his daughter, i agree with the bible about women being pastors, and she is not a pastor according to how much i know about her( i only know about her from war room). The Bible doesnt say anywhere that because only two people out of two million entered the Promised Land that only a handful of people will be able to experience (theres that word again) what weve learned on the pew.. Lord, thank You that You are the Good Shepherd and You speak and we hear Your voice. TEXT: Often God reveals more through discussions and scripture references. He was one of the founding fathers of the heretical Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation movement and a mentor to Ken Copeland, whos also a Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation heretic. It was stated, that the big name pastors are no where to be found when standing against these deceptions. It was an immediate NO after I listened to less than 1 minute of her reference about Oprah. Our desire is not only for all to understand His written Word but for all to experience His Power! There's more to my answer than you might think. read more, Scripture: When the Bible says not to do something and you do it anyway, thats a sin. There are Ill let you know how we continue our course of action. I can always use more people praying for me. 1 Corinthians 4:6 says: Thats not an accusation, its a statement of fact. Priscilla Shirer is. Choose What Is Right: A Study in Discernment ~ Lesson 1- Introduction, Going Beyond Scripture: Why It's Time to Say Good-Bye to Priscilla Shirer and Going Beyond Ministries, The Mailbag: Celebrity Christian Hot Takes (Driscoll, Graham, Groeschel, Lewis, Lucado, Piper, Vallotton), Leaving Lysa: Why You Shouldn't Be Following Lysa TerKeurst or Proverbs 31 Ministries, Doctrinally Sound Christian Men to Follow - 1, Bible Gateway- Fantastic concordance and other Bible tools, CARM- Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry, Christian Answers for the New Age (Marcia Montenegro). I have to do more research on how these powerhouse preachers are false teachers), teaching unbiblical prayer practices (I cant find where she teaches women about contemplative prayer~ but Im still lookin! But growth to spiritual maturity through the study of Gods word and faithful obedience to Him isnt what Priscilla is offering through this study. That's a possibility, but a better plan is that Scripture is Holy Spirit inspired. Go beyond putting ourselves first. 2And Abraham said unto his eldest servant of his house, that ruled over all that he had, Put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh: The reason I refer people in on line conversations to my articles is so I dont have to regurgitate what Ive already written. Id be interested in hearing what Tony Evans says about his daughters doctrine. and Serita Jakes (see below). Some of the points you bring up give me pause. Combining elements of Eastern mysticism and New Age spirituality, this practice of emptying the mind and listening for Gods voice is found nowhere in Scripture. Do you have other references to their false teaching? Here are my 2.1. TRUTH AND LOVE There are still some good, solid blogs over there (such as Kevin DeYoungs and Erik Raymonds), and they frequently put out helpful, doctrinally solid articles, but Ive chosen to use other sources instead. In fact, the Bible says the opposite. Mark 10:46-53, Denomination: This is not a new idea. read more, Scripture: She is a false teacher, not because I say so, but because when you compare her teachings and behavior to Scripture, you will find them consistently in conflict with Scripture. It would definitely be interesting to hear his perspective. Theres more than one link in the article providing video evidence of this. Or will we apply extra effort and go beyond our duty? Is there some connection between this article on Priscilla Shirer and Israel that Im missing? It just says dont. Period. 2. I want people to study their Bibles and use Scripture as the measuring stick for the things that are happening and being taught in the church today. Grace&Peace in Christ brother travis & sister tori, Thanks so much, Travis. But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not . 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